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1821 - Kollokotroni vs Mavrokordatos dhe Anglia

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Shume gjera jane thene per 1821, kush qene revolucionaret, kush u zu me kend, sa shqiptar kishte, rroli i te huajve ne te por nje gje eshte lene pak e anashkaluar ne analizat qe jane bere. Kohet e fundit Sky.Gr ka bere nje megaprodhim me disa epizode ku vec nje pjese eshte me tituj ne Anglisht. Ne te analizohet ndarja e Kollokotronit dhe Mavrokordatos. Gjate shume leximeve mbi kete subjekt, dhe video qe flet me superlativa te rralla per kete individ, sic dhe flet historia (Koloktronin), dalin disa gjera qe ja vlejn te permenden.

Koloktroni ishte arvanit, por le ta lejme menjeane kete fakt.


Me nentituj Anglisht:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRSa-vH_R0


E plota vetem ne Greqisht:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2gB0SlOL04

Nje overture mbi maredheniet e Lord Byronit dhe Mavrokordatos:


Byron had famously written, in a Journal entry for 28 September 1823: ‘I did not come here to join a faction but a nation’ (BLJ 11: 32). In the short run—and that was all he was to have in Greece—this position was untenable, though he would never abandon his sense of the importance of constitutional propriety. [4] In order to be able to act at all, Byron would eventually have to choose between support for a military faction, identified most prominently with Kolokotronis, and a civilian ‘westernising’ group, associated with Alexandros Mavrokordatos, among others. It took Byron many weeks, however, before he was able to pose the choice in these terms. To begin with, there was simple confusion, of names and places, while, later, Byron’s natural approach was to see whether the choice could be avoided in the name of a possible reconciliation between the parties—a reconciliation which, at various points, he seems to have believed he might personally have influenced.

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The letters considered here were sent to Byron either from Tripolitza, modern Tripoli, in the central Peloponnese, or from the Argo-Saronic island of Hydra. Both places are significant. Hydra was a base for the westernizing Greeks, closely identified with Greek maritime interests. Tripolitza, on the other hand, was a Kolokotronis stronghold. It had been the site of a massacre of the Turkish and Jewish population by Greek forces under the command of Kolokotronis in October 1821, an early indication of the lawlessness of the Revolution which had done serious damage to the image of Greece abroad.

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Koloktroni, sipas historise, si Arvanit ishte nje njeri qe ishte thuhet teper krenar, dhe nuk pranonte compromise. Ne relacionet me Byronin dhe per pavarsine e Greqise, raportohet te kete rezerva rreth lidhjes se Greqise me interesat perendimore e sidomos ato Britanike per shkak se ai mendonte do ta zhysnin Greqine ne borxhe. Vlen te permendet se Byroni, dhe rrjedhimisht Anglia zgjedh nje person qe perfaqeson me mire interesat e saja ne rrajon, menyren se si duhe te sillet populli qe jetonte ne Greqi, lidhjet e tija ekonomike, dhe praktikisht kursin qe u vendos prej kesaj lidhje. Mund vec te supozohet se cfare do ishte Greqia nese Koloktroni do ishte ai qe do kishte rrolin kryesor ne post-1821, por sic dihet, edhe pse sot ai konsiderohet si figure kyce, Koloktroni per shume vjet u quajt tradhtar i Greqise.

Kendi Shqiptar dhe i maredhenieve Shqiptaro-Greke, me fantin spathi Angli ne mes te pilafit nenkuptohet vete. Por nje gje eshte e qarte dhe Greket, pasi ju vendos koka ne prapanice nga kriza po e thone haptazi ne ate qe une do e quaja nje rishikim te paprecedente te revolucionit te 1821 dhe rrolit Arvanit atje. Eshte i disati emision ku theksi vendoset mbi krenarine e komandanteve Arvanit, dhe mosperkuljen e tyre ndaj jo vetem Turkut, por praktikisht ndaj askujt. Sic dihet ajo klike luftoi dhe fitoi, por nuk mori pjese ne politikberjen e mepasme ku dhe filloi nje fushate e fuqishme per ta asimiluar kete pjese qe Byroni e quan "lawless".

Kurioziteti im, nga ata qe dine me teper se une rreth revolucionit Grek eshte sa e rendesishme eshte historia e masakrave te Cifuteve ne betejen e Tripolit, nje beteje ku ne krahun tjeter merrnin pjese dhe shume Shqiptare, ne vendosmerine e Byronit per tu lidhur me Mavrokordaton. A ka patur peshe reale kjo ne kete vendimarrje, apo ka qene a-priori karakteri revolucionar i Kollokotronit qe nuk i ka shkuar poshte Byronit. Nese ka qene kjo e dyta, Byroni mund te dale nje njeri disi hipokrit ne perspektive, dhe nje agjent kalkulativ i Anglise qe ballancoi, ose zhballancoi zhvillimet politike te nje rrajoni te tere qe ende nuk kane mbaruar.
 

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Cka do qi so kone greke e ortodokse e kane faru n'kit masaker, me mija shqiptare myslimane - gra, pleq, e thmi i kane pre si gjojen aty. Krejt e krejt 32 000 banore t'qyetit i kane pre. Kjo oshte masakra ma e madhe e asaj kohe:

Describing the massacres that occurred following the capture of Tripolitsa, historian W. Alison Phillips noted that:

"For three days the miserable inhabitants were given over to lust and cruelty of a mob of savages. Neither sex nor age was spared. Women and children were tortured before being put to death. So great was the slaughter that Kolokotronis himself says that, from the gate to the citadel his horse’s hoofs never touched the ground. His path of triumph was carpeted with corpses. At the end of two days, the wretched remnant of the Mussulmans were deliberately collected, to the number of some two thousand souls, of every age and sex, but principally women and children, were led out to a ravine in the neighboring mountains and there butchered like cattle."[21]

Kolokotronis says in his memoirs:[22]

"Inside the town they had begun to massacre. ... I rushed to the palace ... "If you wish to hurt these Albanians," I cried, "kill me rather; for, while I am a living man, whoever first makes the attempt, him will I kill the first." ... I was faithful to my word of honor ... Tripolitsa was three miles in circumference. The [Greek] host which entered it, cut down and were slaying men, women, and children from Friday till Sunday. Thirty-two thousand were reported to have been slain. One Hydriote [boasted that he had] killed ninety. About a hundred Greeks were killed; but the end came [thus]: a proclamation was issued that the slaughter must cease. ... When I entered Tripolitsa, they showed me a plane tree in the market-place where the Greeks had always been hung. I sighed. "Alas!" I said, "how many of my own clan — of my own race — have been hung there!" And I ordered it to be cut down. I felt some consolation then from the slaughter of the Turks. ... [Before the fall] we had formed a plan of proposing to the Turks that they should deliver Tripolitsa into our hands, and that we should, in that case, send persons into it to gather the spoils together, which were then to be apportioned and divided among the different districts for the benefit of the nation; but who would listen?"

There were about one hundred foreign officers present at the scenes of atrocities and looting committed in Tripolitsa, Friday to Sunday. Based on eyewitness accounts and descriptions provided by these officers, William St. Clair wrote:

"Upwards of ten thousand Turks were put to death. Prisoners who were suspected of having concealed their money were tortured. Their arms and legs were cut off and they were slowly roasted over fires. Pregnant women were cut open, their heads cut off, and dogs' heads stuck between their legs. From Friday to Sunday the air was filled with the sound of screams... One Greek boasted that he personally killed ninety people. The Jewish colony was systematically tortured... For weeks afterwards starving Turkish children running helplessly about the ruins were being cut down and shot at by exultant Greeks... The wells were poisoned by the bodies that had been thrown in..."[3]

"The Turks of Greece left few traces. They disappeared suddenly and finally in the spring of 1821 unmourned and unnoticed by the rest of the world....It was hard to believe then that Greece once contained a large population of Turkish descent, living in small communities all over the country, prosperous farmers, merchants, and officials, whose families had known no other home for hundreds of years...They were killed deliberately, without qualm or scruple, and there was no regrets either then or later."[23]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tripolitsa


Poplli shqiptar s'duhet me e harru kurre kit masaker t'grekeve e edhe shume tjera qi jone bo mas saj e dej te masakrat e camve ma vone.

Falemineres Gaius Baltar qi na e prune n'men kit tragjedi t'shqiptarve
 

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Ne Tripoli u shkel BESA E DHENE prej Bythgures ndaj Shqiptareve muhamedane dhe atyre garnizoneve po Shqiptare qe luftonin ne krah te Turqve......kjo ESHTE VELLAVRASJA ME E MADHE NE HISTORINE E POPULLIT TONE, U SHKEL BESA, U SHKEL NDERI, KANUNI DHE TE GJITHA VLERAT E DOKET QE MBANIN GJALL SHOQERINE SHQIPTARE TE AT'HERSHME.......si, perse dhe per c'ka e banen ket asht nji histori e tjerrun keq, dhe duhet pune e vullnetshme dhe sinqeritet ne dhanjen e fakteve fistorike, presioneve politiko fetare te kohes.
 

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Theodoros Kolokotronis ishte një nga heronjtë kryesorë të kryengritjes për pavarësinë e Greqisë. Sipas burimeve, përfshirë ato angleze, thuhej se ishte shqiptar. Në një gravurë shihet veshur me fustanelle dhe me flokët në formën e luftëtarëve shqiptarë (të quajtur perçe).

Kolokotronis ishte pjesë e një familjeje të fuqishme që ndikoi në krijimin e kombit grek.

Më poshtë mund ta dëgjoni këngën “Les Kolokotronei” (Kolokotronisët), që i dedikohet kësaj familjeje. Kënga gjendet në albumin “Odes” të vitit 1979, realizuar në një bashkëpunim mes Vangelisit dhe Irena Papasit. Irena është arvanitase. Ndërsa, në përshkrimin e albumit thuhet se “Les Kolokotronei” është këngë tradicionale greke!? Por, vërehen elementet e melosit shqiptar. /Telegrafi

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeDv6lvNW7k[/ame]
 

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Ne Tripoli u shkel BESA E DHENE prej Bythgures ndaj Shqiptareve muhamedane dhe atyre garnizoneve po Shqiptare qe luftonin ne krah te Turqve......kjo ESHTE VELLAVRASJA ME E MADHE NE HISTORINE E POPULLIT TONE, U SHKEL BESA, U SHKEL NDERI, KANUNI DHE TE GJITHA VLERAT E DOKET QE MBANIN GJALL SHOQERINE SHQIPTARE TE AT'HERSHME.......si, perse dhe per c'ka e banen ket asht nji histori e tjerrun keq, dhe duhet pune e vullnetshme dhe sinqeritet ne dhanjen e fakteve fistorike, presioneve politiko fetare te kohes.
Garnizoni Shqiptar nen komanden e njefare Elmaz Beu, beri marreveshje me Kollokotronin dhe iku nga Tripolica. Biles ishte Kollokotroni qe i kontaktoi dhe u kerkoi qe te largoheshin sepse me Shqiptaret brenda ne qytet nuk kishin shans qe te hynin "greket".
Keshtu qe te paret qe tradhetuan ishin vete Shqiptaret. Ne qytet ka pasur patjeter familje Shqiptare banore te qytetit apo te ardhur nga zona te tjera te Peloponezit, por shumica ishin Turq, kishte edhe cifute, etj. Nuk dihet sakte se sa njerez mund te jene vrare atje. Keshtu qe nuk ka pasur ne ate rast ndonje shkelje bese. Percarja e Shqiptareve ne ate periudhe, si ndodhi, kush e shtyti, etj, eshte histori e gjate pastaj, tjeter muhabet.




 
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