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The 12 Albanian Pashas that ruled Iraq and Baghdad.

Governors, military officers, clerics, and even love stories illuminate an old connection with the troubled area.
Iraq, the land of ancient Babylon, and the land of great clash between the two great parts of the Muslims: between the Sunnis and the Shi'ites. The first, politically have always had the Ottoman Empire, the second, the kings of Iran. From this conflict, as nowadays, fierce conflicts, bloodshed, lust and wars have arisen.

From an early age Albanians have been protagonists in this fierce game with which only one thing is connected: the desire to serve militarily a great power. By 1508, the Shah of Persia, the great protector of the Shi'ites, Ismail-al-Safawi had taken over a good part of northern Iraq, which pushed the then Sultan Selimi I to run a major military expedition to restore his power. One of the most successful campaign commanders is one called AHMET PASHĖ DUKAGJINI. Arabic literature describes extensively how Dukagjini, made Moslem, directed Ottoman troops to victory in Ēalddiran in 1514. Victory was important. The adventure of the Albanians in Iraq's lands had started well.


From 1544 to 1548 at the helm of Iraq was the Albanian AJAZ PASHA. As often happens to all the greats regardless of time, Ajaz Pasha has been devoted much to poetry, where he certainly confesses to being a generous man.


Years later, the High Gate sent another Albanian to Baghdad, NASUH PASHĖN. Same as in Skanderbeg's story, the young Albanian welter of Baghdad, he learned that the city had fallen into the hands of a countryman thanks to a counterfeit ferman. Nasuhu was not so lucky in a battle between two rivals near Baghdad. He was seriously injured in Istanbul, but he was fired and became, like many other Albanians, Grand Vizier, Prime Minister, having previously married one of the many Sultan's daughters.


Arab historians still mention the deeds of some Albanian commanders in the years to come. In 1626 Tikriti, Saddam Hussein's country of origin, was still in the hands of the Persians who had conquered it a few years ago. An Albanian, OMER PASHA, fought at the head of a handful of people with a much larger army. Omer Pasha, the commander, was the only survivor of the ensuing massacre. The legend says his quick horse survived. Some years later history is repeated.

Already Ahmet KUĒUK PASHA, this Albanian in the service of the Sultan who commands Ottoman troops in the battles around Tikrit. When he saw that there was no salvation then he sat down and began praying to Allah. Of course one of the Persian soldiers cut off his head and sent him to Tehran. The chess in respectfulness allowed Ahmet Kuchuk Pasha's head to be buried in a teqe in Damascus, Syria. The old Pasha had also thought of this. Years ago, he had built a sanctuary for himself.


By the end of the XVII century, the pressure of Persian armies nearly blocked the economy in Baghdad. The High Gate was alarmed. Blocking the economy in these parts meant riots in neighboring Arab countries as well.

Again, an Albanian appears to us. He is ABDURRAHMAN PASHA, who was appointed city warden.
Abdurrahman was the righteous man. He did not allow the employees to steal at the expense of the people, freed people from abusive taxes, and managed to bring about normalization of the market. In the history of Iraq, the albanian named Abdurrahman is well remembered for his loving-kindness to poets and other artists, although under the rumor he is said to have a pinch of summer. A mosque built by him has been up until late in Baghdad. It was called Maruf-al-Karhi.


Albanians had a strong heart to Iraq, even hearted enough to succeed in establishing an Albanian dynasty at the head of Baghdad.

The first of this Albanian dynasty in the heart of Saudi Arabia was the diocese HASAN PASHA, who began work in these parts in 1704. Hasan began work by appointing his sons from the province, demanding the unification of fractured Iraqi units in a vilayet of only. Later, relying on a completely reformed army, Hasan Pasha from the stand in defense of the Iranians, went into the difficult task of attacking. He did not achieve any great success, even though he had managed to penetrate Iran. He was buried with great honors in Baghdad in 1724. They say that his name in the Iraqi capital is holding mosques and neighborhood names.


Hasan Pasha's country was inherited by his son, AHMET PASHA, an ambitious young man who had given his mind to continue his father's journey. Ahmeti continued to rule until the end of the eighteenth century. After that, the Albanian dynasty in Baghdad was swept by a sandstorm, during which the names of rulers continued to be replaced at rapid rates.


Several troubled years had to pass until Albanians appeared again in Iraq. SYRI PASHA, from 1899 to 1890, entered Iraq's history as the builder of an important dam and as a great protector of poets. According to domestic historians Syriu introduced another idea, the social aid for the poor and the widows. Syriu gave way to an activity with traditions in the field of poetry.

The last of the Albanian dynasty in Baghdad was ABDULVEHAB PASHA, who remained in the role of valiut only one year. We know a few things, if we exclude any kind of yoga poetry that he has written earnestly for him.

The new era had started to blow everywhere. There was no need for war-time people, or rather, there was a need for a different war.

Another prominent Albanian has well known these aspects. EQEREM BEJ VLORA, the member of the famous Vlora family, one of the sharpest Albanian minds of the last two centuries, has brilliantly confessed his impressions of Iraq and its surroundings. In 1904, Eqerem Beu was a new employee of the Istanbul Foreign Ministry. Along with other diplomats, he inspected then the Hexhazi railway, what was called a parade of the Suez Canal, a great achievement for the time, just like our current corridors. The eyes tired of the landscape, covered by sands of sand, have transformed the Albanian young man when he saw riding a young black-eyed young man in a stylish young girl. Somewhere from Syria, at the border with Iraq, this nostalgic story is more than just love. The young Albanian wanted to keep silent when she saw that young Arabian girl who, together with others, made the right respects according to the rules of the desert. He soon learned that the desert era was the daughter of one of the local rulers in whose tent he had occupied. And then the beau of Vlora refrains, but can not give up his sympathy. Makes his pistol out of the genera, a Mauzer, who at that time was as good as the hair of his head, and extended the young girl. Eqerem Beu himself confesses that he was surprised to see that in return the girl had donated her pure white pure breed. Though the two young people fate crashed at different corners of the World, a long-term correspondence was linked to them.

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Re: The 12 Albanian Pashas that ruled Iraq and Baghdad.

Artikulli origjinal eshte shkruajtur nga Fatos Baxhaku me titullin " Sunduesit Shqiptare te Irakut".

Ku artikull verteton edhe nje here jo thjesht ndikimin e madh te Shqiptareve ne Perandorine Osmane por mbi te gjitha ndikimin e madh qe shqiptaret ( si asnje ballkanas tjeter) kane pasur ne historine boterore.

Prandaj ne Tirane duhen nja 8 muzeume te tjere per historine e shqiptareve. Edhe per tju hequr kompleksin qe kane krijuar keto 30 vite dhe per tju treguar qe po Shqiperia mund te behet nje fuqi konkrete.

Eshte teper e veshtire per tu shpjeguar sesi ky potencial asnjehere nuk u arrit te kanalizohej ne Shqiperi sic duhet.
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Na e moren naften prej dores atje n’lindje keta perendimoret, qe na t’shkretit sot i quajm clirimtare.
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Mundesisht TURQVE dhe nje <skulpture> tek sheshi apo prane... SKENDERBEUT.

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Na e moren naften prej dores atje n’lindje keta perendimoret, qe na t’shkretit sot i quajm clirimtare.
Do hap edhe nje teme me vone per rolin e Ismail Qemalit ne kunder revolucionin qe beri ne 1908 me Garden Perandorake me Shqiptare ne Stamboll per te mbajt ne pushtet Abdylhamitin. Biles per 2 jave Stambolli u kap nga kjo garde.

Ismaili e kishte kuptu qe lezizja Xhonturke ishte agjenture perendimore per te shperbere P. Osmane me idene per te kriju Izrealin dhe per te kap burimet e naftes.

Ironikisht kjo sot eshte mese e vertete.

Nese 12,000 Shqiptare ne Ballkan nen drejtimin e Isa Boletinit, Cerciz Topullit dhe Bajram Currit nuk do ishin genjyer mga propaganda xhonturke dhe do kishin ik ne Stamboll per te mbeshtetur kunder revolucionin e Ismail Qemalit historia do kishte marr rrjedh tjeter.
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Shkoni ne Iran dhe PYESNI... vendasit se qfar mendonjne per aleksandrin e madh.
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Pėrgjigje e: The 12 Albanian Pashas that ruled Iraq and Baghdad.

Kac, te pakten titullin vendoja shqip “12 pashallaret shqipetare qe udheheqen Irakun dhe Bagdadin”
Do ishte me terheqese besoj edhe ne debat ?
Tash nje pytje per ty! Pse shqipetaret paten pozita ne persndorin osmane ?
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Kac, te pakten titullin vendoja shqip “12 pashallaret shqipetare qe udheheqen Irakun dhe Bagdadin”
Do ishte me terheqese besoj edhe ne debat ?
Tash nje pytje per ty! Pse shqipetaret paten pozita ne persndorin osmane ?
Titulli behet ne anglisht qe tema te jete nderkombetare.

Une tema te tilla kam hap pa fund ne forume nderkombetare sepse arnautet injorante nuk dine as 10% te historise se tyre.

Une jam nje studies amator i historise dhe pergjigje e pyetjes tende e di, duhet tja besh dikujt tjeter.

Por po e jap nje pergjigje:

Pervecse konvertimit ne Islam qe ishte nje pashaporte per rruge te hapur ne administraten e tere Perandorise arsye te tjera jane aftesite ushtarake te shqiptareve, natyra mercenare dhe ambiacia e madhe per pushtet i beri shqiptaret prominente ne kete perandori si dikur ne vitet 240-600 te eres tone ne kohen e Romes dhe Konstandinopojes.
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Titulli behet ne anglisht qe tema te jete nderkombetare.

Une tema te tilla kam hap pa fund ne forume nderkombetare sepse arnautet injorante nuk dine as 10% te historise se tyre.

Une jam nje studies amator i historise dhe pergjigje e pyetjes tende e di, duhet tja besh dikujt tjeter.

Por po e jap nje pergjigje:

Pervecse konvertimit ne Islam qe ishte nje pashaporte per rruge te hapur ne administraten e tere Perandorise arsye te tjera jane aftesite ushtarake te shqiptareve, natyra mercenare dhe ambiacia e madhe per pushtet i beri shqiptaret prominente ne kete perandori si dikur ne vitet 240-600 te eres tone ne kohen e Romes dhe Konstandinopojes.
Konvertimi ne Islam patjeter qe ndihmonte por nuk eshte ai shkaku kryesor qe te beje karierre. Fanariotet vazhduan te mbanin brenda Perandorise nje rol te rendesishem, diplomacia ishte ne doren e tyre dhe ata ishin te krishtere. Arsyeja e pare eshte se po ishe i zoti do ēash, te tjerat jane konjukturale.
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Konvertimi ne Islam patjeter qe ndihmonte por nuk eshte ai shkaku kryesor qe te beje karierre. Fanariotet vazhduan te mbanin brenda Perandorise nje rol te rendesishem, diplomacia ishte ne doren e tyre dhe ata ihsin te krishtere. Arsyeja e pare eshte se po ishe i zoti do ēash, te tjerat jane konjukturale.
Fanariotet ishim me shume dragomane, pra perkthyes.

Nuk percaktonin gati asgje ne drejtimin e perandorise.

Dakord jam me ty.
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Titulli behet ne anglisht qe tema te jete nderkombetare.

Une tema te tilla kam hap pa fund ne forume nderkombetare sepse arnautet injorante nuk dine as 10% te historise se tyre.

Une jam nje studies amator i historise dhe pergjigje e pyetjes tende e di, duhet tja besh dikujt tjeter.

Por po e jap nje pergjigje:

Pervecse konvertimit ne Islam qe ishte nje pashaporte per rruge te hapur ne administraten e tere Perandorise arsye te tjera jane aftesite ushtarake te shqiptareve, natyra mercenare dhe ambiacia e madhe per pushtet i beri shqiptaret prominente ne kete perandori si dikur ne vitet 240-600 te eres tone ne kohen e Romes dhe Konstandinopojes.
Sipas teje kush cenka i denje te ja beje kete pytje !?
Historikish eshte e njohur qe per te marr pozit nga se cili sundus eshte dasht te sakrifikosh diqka apo edhe ta tradhetosh vendin tend ne rend te par.
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Fanariotet ishim me shume dragomane, pra perkthyes.

Nuk percaktonin gati asgje ne drejtimin e perandorise.

Dakord jam me ty.
E di qe ishin perkthyes por kishin rol te rendesishem ne diplomacine e Perandorise. Ne Perandorine Osomane, berberi i Sulltanit behej Vezir i Madh, bostanxhiu behej guvernator province. Fanariotet kishin nje ndikim te madh ne diplomaci por ata ishin besnike te Perandorise dhe urreheshin nga te gjithe te krishteret e Ballkanit.
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E di qe ishin perkthyes por kishin rol te rendesishem ne diplomacine e Perandorise. Ne Perandorine Osomane, berberi i Sulltanit behej Vezir i Madh, bostanxhiu behej guvernator province. Fanariotet kishin nje ndikim te madh ne diplomaci por ata ishin besnike te Perandorise dhe urreheshin nga te gjithe te krishteret e Ballkanit.
duhet te krenohemi per keto pashallaret apo kshu kot per muhabet?
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E di qe ishin perkthyes por kishin rol te rendesishem ne diplomacine e Perandorise. Ne Perandorine Osomane, berberi i Sulltanit behej Vezir i Madh, bostanxhiu behej guvernator province. Fanariotet kishin nje ndikim te madh ne diplomaci por ata ishin besnike te Perandorise dhe urreheshin nga te gjithe te krishteret e Ballkanit.
Eshte e vertete qe Osmanet ishin e vetmja perandori qe nuk kishte finsikeri tipike .

Shume injorante nuk dine se 4/5 familjet kryesore Osmane midis 1320-1430 ishin te krishtere te konvertuar. ( pa u futur ne mase shqiptaret ne administraten osmane)

Vetem Candarlit ishin muslimane turkoman.

Por perseri fanariotet nuk kishin nje rendesi kaq te madhe.

Nuk ka nje rast ku ata te kene ndikuar per vendime te medha politike.
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Sipas teje kush cenka i denje te ja beje kete pytje !?
Historikish eshte e njohur qe per te marr pozit nga se cili sundus eshte dasht te sakrifikosh diqka apo edhe ta tradhetosh vendin tend ne rend te par.
Lexo shqip me me kujdes.

Te thashe qe kete pyetje me mire beja dikujt qe nuk di historine se une e di.

Tani ti po thua qe per pozitat qe shqiptaret moren tradhetuan dicka?

Deri diku po, sepse nominalisht u konvertuan ne Islam.

Kjo pyetje vlen me shume per ty sepae une e konaideroj veten te krishtere ndersa ti je mysliman prakitkant.

Une e shpjegova ne postimin tim te pare dhe dyte ne lidhje me kete teme.
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12-te xhelatet... do te ishim me te qarte ne k’te rast. Loool
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Shume faleminderit per sygjerimin drague, perpiqemi te mesojme.
dikur kam lexuar per Karl Gegen qe ndertoj ura dhe rruge ne te gjithe europen. ne Shqiperi nada se ishin pashallaret osman zotet e vendit.
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